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=== Economics ===
 
=== Economics ===
* Eco-Acetone - 6.80 eur /1000g = 0.0068 EUR/g
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* Mirasol : 11.95 eur/ 250g = 0.0478EUR/g
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! Product !! Price per unit (€) !! Unit (g) !! Price (€/g) !! Amount in recipe (g/l) !! Costs (€/l) !! link
* [https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/ Etos Ethanol] 2.29 eur/100g  = 0.0229 EUR/g
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* [https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001 Aro Demiwater] : 2.65 eur / 5000 g = 0.00053 EUR/g
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| Eco-Acetone ||  6.80 || 1000 g || 0.0068 ||  100 || 0.680 || https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/
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| Mirasol     || 11.95 ||  250 g || 0.0478  ||  25 || 1.195 || https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS]
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| Ethanol      ||  2.29 ||  100 g || 0.0229  ||  50 || 1.145 || https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/
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| Demiwater    ||  2.65 || 5000 g || 0.00053 || 1000 || 0.53  || https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001
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| TOTAL        ||  -  ||    -  ||  -      || >1000?? || 3.55
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* Price per liter : 100×0.0068+25×0.0478+50×0.0229+1000×0.00053 = 3.55 per liter that is approx  1/3 of Alklanet rpice, 10 Eur/l
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* 3.55 per liter that is approx  1/3 of Alklanet rpice, 10 Eur/l
 
* This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier.
 
* This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier.
  

Revision as of 04:15, 26 March 2018

Project Revklanet
Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg
Status In progress
Contact Gori, PeterC
Last Update 2018-03-26

The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves? Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer de MSDS reveals the most common chemicals.

Alklanet facts

  • blue
  • pH 5.5 - 7 according to MSDS, Litmus measures 6
  • 5 -10% 2-Butoxyethanol
  •  ? % surfactant
  •  ? % ethanol


  • Production of test batches : Making revklanet.jpg


Recipe V0.1

Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only apporximate concentrations.

  • 20 g Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
  • 10 g hard soap
  • 10 g ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
  • 160 g water

Feedback

  • Trouble dissolving all the soap, also feels very soapy, probably way too much.
  • pH 8
  • thrashed

Recipe V0.2

Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only apporximate concentrations.

Feedback

  • smells very nice
  • cleans well, but less than Alklanet or 0.3
  • leaves a bit more streaks than Alklanet

Recipe V0.3

Composition

For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as non of the ingredients are pure.

  • 20 g ( 10% ) Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
  • 5 g ( 2.5% ) mirasol 2000 - tenside / wetting agent. MSDS
  • 10 g ( 5%) ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
  • 172 g ( 82% ) demineralised water

Economics

Product Price per unit (€) Unit (g) Price (€/g) Amount in recipe (g/l) Costs (€/l) link
Eco-Acetone 6.80 1000 g 0.0068 100 0.680 https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/
Mirasol 11.95 250 g 0.0478 25 1.195 https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml MSDS
Ethanol 2.29 100 g 0.0229 50 1.145 https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/
Demiwater 2.65 5000 g 0.00053 1000 0.53 https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001
TOTAL - - - >1000?? 3.55
  • 3.55 per liter that is approx 1/3 of Alklanet rpice, 10 Eur/l
  • This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier.

Feedback

  • pH 6-7
  • Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet
  • Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference.
  • joepie91: v0.3 lijkt prima te werken, net tafel mee schoongemaakt, beetje vreemd geurtje maar verder prima
  • Cleans very well, but leaves slightly more streaks than 0.2

Recipe V0.4

For this version, we want to improve both the economics and performance.

  • Replace ethanol with Isopropyl alcohol : Better degreasing properies, and much cheaper
  • Find an alternative surfactant / tenside, in bulk 1/10th of the price may be possible

Composition

For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as none of the ingredients are pure.

  • 20 g ( 10% ) Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
  • 5 g ( 2.5% ) ??? surfactant / tenside
  • 10 g ( 5%) IPA ( Available from Revspace, 4 EUR / l)
  • 165 g ( 82% ) demineralised water

Testing

  • Test setup : RevKlanetTestSetup.jpg
    • Compare : Demineralised water, Alklanet, RevKlanet V0.2, RevKlanet V0.3
  • Testing protocol : TestingMaterials.jpg
  • Apply and dry for 30 minites
    • Wok oil
    • Ketjap Manis
    • Ketchup
    • Meggele garlic butter
  • Attempt cleaning with a clean microfibre cloth and report results
    • Spray area with a single pump (we are using old Alklanet bottles)
    • Wipe 1/3 immediately in a single downward stroke
    • Wait 10 seconds then wipe 2nd 1/3 with a single stroke
    • Then clean the final 1/3 until clean
    • Then clean the entire area with the same product


Results V0.2 and v0.3

  • Overall findings : Both V0.2 and V0.3 work as good as Alklanet. V0.3 dries fastest, and degrease markedly better than Alklanet. Probably because we use the a higher concentration of alcohols, and the wetting agent greatly helps as wel.
  • Demiwater : Demiwater.jpg
  • Alklanet : Alklanet.jpg
  • V0.2 : V0.2.jpg
  • V0.3 : V0.3.jpg