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{{Project | {{Project | ||
|Name=Revklanet | |Name=Revklanet | ||
|Status= | |Status=In progress | ||
|Contact=Gori | |Contact=Gori, PeterC | ||
|Picture=Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg | |Picture=Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg | ||
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The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves? | The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves? | ||
Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer | Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer the [https://safetydata.ecolab.eu/index.php?id=1576&ecode=100294E&ccode=at&lcode=de&pname=ALKLANET#results MSDS] reveals the most common chemicals. | ||
== Alklanet facts == | == Alklanet facts == | ||
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== Recipe V0.1 == | |||
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only | Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations. | ||
* 20 g [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | * 20 g [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | ||
* 10 g hard soap | * 10 g hard soap | ||
* 10 g ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning) | * 10 g ethanol (Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning) | ||
* 160 g water | * 160 g water | ||
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* thrashed | * thrashed | ||
== Recipe V0.2 == | |||
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only | Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations. | ||
* 20 g [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | * 20 g [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | ||
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=== Feedback === | === Feedback === | ||
* smells very nice | * smells very nice | ||
* | * cleans well, but less than Alklanet or 0.3 | ||
* leaves a bit more streaks than Alklanet | |||
== Recipe V0.3 == | |||
=== Composition === | |||
For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as non of the ingredients are pure. | |||
* 20 g | * 20 g ( 10% ) [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | ||
* 5 g mirasol 2000 - wetting agent. [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS] | * 5 g ( 2.5% ) [https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml mirasol 2000] - tenside / wetting agent. [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS] | ||
* 10 g ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning) | * 10 g ( 5%) ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning) | ||
* 172 g water | * 172 g ( 82% ) demineralised water | ||
=== Economics === | |||
{|class=wikitable | |||
! Product !! Price per unit (€) !! Unit (g) !! Price (€/g) !! Amount in recipe (g/l) !! Costs (€/l) !! link | |||
|- | |||
| Eco-Acetone || 6.80 || 1000 || 0.0068 || 100 || 0.680 || https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ | |||
|- | |||
| Mirasol || 11.95 || 250 || 0.0478 || 25 || 1.195 || https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS] | |||
|- | |||
| Ethanol || 2.29 || 100 || 0.0229 || 50 || 1.145 || https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/ | |||
|- | |||
| Demiwater || 2.65 || 5000 || 0.00053 || 825 || 0.437 || https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001 | |||
|- | |||
| TOTAL || - || - || - || 1000 || 3.46 | |||
|} | |||
* 3.46 per liter that is approx 1/2 of Alklanet price, 7,50 €/l (https://www.123schoon.nl/Ecolab-Alklanet-1-liter-i2477.html) | |||
* This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier. | |||
=== Feedback === | === Feedback === | ||
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* Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet | * Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet | ||
* Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference. | * Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference. | ||
* joepie91: v0.3 lijkt prima te werken, net tafel mee schoongemaakt, beetje vreemd geurtje maar verder prima | |||
* Cleans very well, but leaves slightly more streaks than 0.2 (visible only on high gloss surfaces such as mirrors) | |||
* Na een half uurtje schoonmaken geirriteerde neus en keel | |||
== Recipe V0.4 == | |||
For this version, we want to | |||
* improve the economics | |||
* keep performance similar | |||
* reduce chance of irritation of the eye/throat/nose | |||
Ways to do that : | |||
* Half the concentration of 2-Butoxyethanol | |||
* Replace ethanol with a lower concentration of Isopropyl alcohol : Better degreasing properies, much cheaper, but somewhat more irritating | |||
* Find an alternative surfactant / tenside, in bulk 1/10th of the price may be possible. Maybe [https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi2886/driehoek-zachte-zeep Green soap] | |||
=== Composition === | |||
For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as none of the ingredients are pure. | |||
* 20 g ( 10% ) [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach | |||
* 5 g ( 2.5% ) [https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi2886/driehoek-zachte-zeep "Driehoek" Green soap] | |||
* 10 g ( 5%) IPA ( Available from Revspace, 4 EUR / l) | |||
* 165 g ( 82% ) demineralised water | |||
= Testing = | = Testing = | ||
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== Results V0.2 and v0.3 == | == Results V0.2 and v0.3 == | ||
* Overall findings : Both V0.2 and V0.3 work as good as Alklanet. V0.3 dries fastest, and degrease markedly better than Alklanet. Probably because we use the a higher concentration of alcohols, and the wetting agent greatly helps as wel. | |||
* Demiwater : [[File:Demiwater.jpg|300px]] | * Demiwater : [[File:Demiwater.jpg|300px]] | ||
* Alklanet : [[File:Alklanet.jpg|300px]] | * Alklanet : [[File:Alklanet.jpg|300px]] | ||
* V0.2 : [[File:V0.2.jpg|300px]] | * V0.2 : [[File:V0.2.jpg|300px]] | ||
* V0.3 : [[File:V0.3.jpg|300px]] | * V0.3 : [[File:V0.3.jpg|300px]] |
Revision as of 19:31, 18 February 2019
Project Revklanet | |
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Status | In progress |
Contact | Gori, PeterC |
Last Update | 2019-02-18 |
The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves? Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer the MSDS reveals the most common chemicals.
Alklanet facts
- blue
- pH 5.5 - 7 according to MSDS, Litmus measures 6
- 5 -10% 2-Butoxyethanol
- ? % surfactant
- ? % ethanol
Recipe V0.1
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.
- 20 g Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
- 10 g hard soap
- 10 g ethanol (Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
- 160 g water
Feedback
- Trouble dissolving all the soap, also feels very soapy, probably way too much.
- pH 8
- thrashed
Recipe V0.2
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.
- 20 g Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
- 2 g hard soap (Nivea creme soft)
- 10 g ethanol ( 96% ethanol from Etos)
- 168 g water
Feedback
- smells very nice
- cleans well, but less than Alklanet or 0.3
- leaves a bit more streaks than Alklanet
Recipe V0.3
Composition
For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as non of the ingredients are pure.
- 20 g ( 10% ) Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
- 5 g ( 2.5% ) mirasol 2000 - tenside / wetting agent. MSDS
- 10 g ( 5%) ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
- 172 g ( 82% ) demineralised water
Economics
Product | Price per unit (€) | Unit (g) | Price (€/g) | Amount in recipe (g/l) | Costs (€/l) | link |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Eco-Acetone | 6.80 | 1000 | 0.0068 | 100 | 0.680 | https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ |
Mirasol | 11.95 | 250 | 0.0478 | 25 | 1.195 | https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml MSDS |
Ethanol | 2.29 | 100 | 0.0229 | 50 | 1.145 | https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/ |
Demiwater | 2.65 | 5000 | 0.00053 | 825 | 0.437 | https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001 |
TOTAL | - | - | - | 1000 | 3.46 |
- 3.46 per liter that is approx 1/2 of Alklanet price, 7,50 €/l (https://www.123schoon.nl/Ecolab-Alklanet-1-liter-i2477.html)
- This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier.
Feedback
- pH 6-7
- Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet
- Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference.
- joepie91: v0.3 lijkt prima te werken, net tafel mee schoongemaakt, beetje vreemd geurtje maar verder prima
- Cleans very well, but leaves slightly more streaks than 0.2 (visible only on high gloss surfaces such as mirrors)
- Na een half uurtje schoonmaken geirriteerde neus en keel
Recipe V0.4
For this version, we want to
- improve the economics
- keep performance similar
- reduce chance of irritation of the eye/throat/nose
Ways to do that :
- Half the concentration of 2-Butoxyethanol
- Replace ethanol with a lower concentration of Isopropyl alcohol : Better degreasing properies, much cheaper, but somewhat more irritating
- Find an alternative surfactant / tenside, in bulk 1/10th of the price may be possible. Maybe Green soap
Composition
For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as none of the ingredients are pure.
- 20 g ( 10% ) Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
- 5 g ( 2.5% ) "Driehoek" Green soap
- 10 g ( 5%) IPA ( Available from Revspace, 4 EUR / l)
- 165 g ( 82% ) demineralised water
Testing
- Test setup :
- Compare : Demineralised water, Alklanet, RevKlanet V0.2, RevKlanet V0.3
- Testing protocol :
- Apply and dry for 30 minites
- Wok oil
- Ketjap Manis
- Ketchup
- Meggele garlic butter
- Attempt cleaning with a clean microfibre cloth and report results
- Spray area with a single pump (we are using old Alklanet bottles)
- Wipe 1/3 immediately in a single downward stroke
- Wait 10 seconds then wipe 2nd 1/3 with a single stroke
- Then clean the final 1/3 until clean
- Then clean the entire area with the same product
Results V0.2 and v0.3
- Overall findings : Both V0.2 and V0.3 work as good as Alklanet. V0.3 dries fastest, and degrease markedly better than Alklanet. Probably because we use the a higher concentration of alcohols, and the wetting agent greatly helps as wel.