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{{Project
 
{{Project
 
   |Name=Revklanet
 
   |Name=Revklanet
   |Status=Initializing
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   |Status=In progress
   |Contact=Gori
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   |Contact=Gori, PeterC
 
   |Picture=Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg
 
   |Picture=Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg
 
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The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves?
 
The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves?
Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer de [https://safetydata.ecolab.eu/index.php?id=1576&ecode=100294E&ccode=at&lcode=de&pname=ALKLANET#results MSDS] reveals the most common chemicals.
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Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer the [https://safetydata.ecolab.eu/index.php?id=1576&ecode=100294E&ccode=at&lcode=de&pname=ALKLANET#results MSDS] reveals the most common chemicals.
  
 
== Alklanet facts ==  
 
== Alklanet facts ==  
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* ? % ethanol
 
* ? % ethanol
  
=== Recipe V0.1 ===
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Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only apporximate  concentrations.  
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* Production of test batches : [[File:Making_revklanet.jpg|300px]]
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== Recipe V0.1 ==
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Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.  
  
 
* 20 g  [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
 
* 20 g  [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
 
* 10 g  hard soap
 
* 10 g  hard soap
* 10 g ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
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* 10 g ethanol (Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
 
* 160 g water
 
* 160 g water
  
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* Trouble dissolving all the soap, also feels very soapy, probably way too much.
 
* Trouble dissolving all the soap, also feels very soapy, probably way too much.
 
* pH 8
 
* pH 8
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* thrashed
  
=== Recipe V0.2 ===
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== Recipe V0.2 ==
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only apporximate  concentrations.  
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Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.  
  
 
* 20 g  [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
 
* 20 g  [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
* 2 g  hard soap
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* 2 g  hard soap (Nivea creme soft)
 
* 10 g ethanol ( 96% ethanol from Etos)
 
* 10 g ethanol ( 96% ethanol from Etos)
 
* 168 g water
 
* 168 g water
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=== Feedback ===
 
=== Feedback ===
 
* smells very nice
 
* smells very nice
*
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* cleans well, but less than Alklanet or 0.3
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* leaves a bit more streaks than Alklanet
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== Recipe V0.3 ==
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=== Composition ===
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For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only  approximate  concentrations, as non of the ingredients are pure.
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* 20 g ( 10% ) [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
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* 5 g ( 2.5% )  [https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml mirasol 2000] - tenside / wetting agent. [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS]
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* 10 g ( 5%)  ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
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* 172 g ( 82% ) demineralised water
  
=== Recipe V0.3 ===
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=== Economics ===
Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only apporximate concentrations.  
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{|class=wikitable
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! Product !! Price per unit (€) !! Unit (g) !! Price (€/g) !! Amount in recipe (g/l) !! Costs (€/l) !! link
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| Eco-Acetone  ||  6.80 || 1000 || 0.0068  ||  100 || 0.680 || https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/
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|-
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| Mirasol      || 11.95 ||  250 || 0.0478  ||  25 || 1.195 || https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS]
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|-
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| Ethanol      ||  2.29 || 100 || 0.0229 ||  50 || 1.145 || https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/
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|-
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| Demiwater    ||  2.65 || 5000 || 0.00053 ||  825 || 0.437 || https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001
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|-
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| TOTAL        ||  -  ||    - ||  -      || 1000 || 3.46
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|}
  
* 20 g  [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from  hornbach
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* 3.46 per liter that is approx 1/2 of Alklanet price, 7,50 €/l (https://www.123schoon.nl/Ecolab-Alklanet-1-liter-i2477.html)
* 5 g  mirasol 2000 - wetting agent. [https://www.theimagingwarehouse.com/file.php?filename=WebCat-000500040003000a0005/Tetenal-Mirasol-MSDS.pdf MSDS]
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* This is very expensive since we are using most expensive source of ethanol and surfactant comes from a photographic materials supplier.
* 10 g ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
 
* 172 g water
 
  
 
=== Feedback ===
 
=== Feedback ===
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* Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet
 
* Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet
 
* Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference.
 
* Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference.
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* joepie91: v0.3 lijkt prima te werken, net tafel mee schoongemaakt, beetje vreemd geurtje maar verder prima
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* Cleans very well, but leaves slightly more streaks than 0.2 (visible only on high gloss surfaces such as mirrors)
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* Na een half uurtje schoonmaken geirriteerde neus en keel
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== Recipe V0.4 ==
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For this version, we want to
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* improve the economics
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* keep performance similar
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* reduce chance of irritation of the eye/throat/nose
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Ways to do that :
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* Half the  concentration of 2-Butoxyethanol
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* Replace ethanol with a lower concentration of Isopropyl alcohol : Better degreasing properies, much cheaper, but somewhat more irritating
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* Find an alternative surfactant / tenside, in bulk 1/10th of the price may be possible. Maybe [https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi2886/driehoek-zachte-zeep Green soap]
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=== Composition ===
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For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only  approximate  concentrations, as none of the ingredients are pure.
 +
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* 20 g ( 10% ) [https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/ Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" ] from hornbach
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* 5 g ( 2.5% )  [https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi2886/driehoek-zachte-zeep "Driehoek" Green soap]
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* 10 g ( 5%)  IPA ( Available from Revspace, 4 EUR / l)
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* 165 g ( 82% ) demineralised water
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= Testing =
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* Test setup : [[File:RevKlanetTestSetup.jpg|300px]]
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** Compare : Demineralised water, Alklanet, RevKlanet V0.2,  RevKlanet V0.3
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* Testing protocol : [[File:TestingMaterials.jpg|300px]]
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* Apply and dry for 30 minites
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** Wok oil
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** Ketjap Manis
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** Ketchup
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** Meggele garlic butter
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* Attempt cleaning with a clean microfibre cloth and report results
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** Spray area with a single  pump (we are using old Alklanet bottles)
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** Wipe 1/3  immediately in a single downward stroke
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** Wait 10 seconds then wipe 2nd 1/3 with a single stroke
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** Then clean the final 1/3 until clean
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** Then clean the entire area with the same product
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== Results V0.2 and v0.3 ==
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* Overall findings : Both V0.2 and V0.3 work as good as Alklanet. V0.3 dries fastest, and degrease markedly better than Alklanet. Probably because we use the a higher concentration of alcohols, and the wetting agent greatly helps as wel.
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* Demiwater : [[File:Demiwater.jpg|300px]]
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* Alklanet : [[File:Alklanet.jpg|300px]]
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* V0.2 : [[File:V0.2.jpg|300px]]
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* V0.3 : [[File:V0.3.jpg|300px]]

Revision as of 20:31, 18 February 2019

Project Revklanet
Beaker&BunsenWithBeaker.jpg
Status In progress
Contact Gori, PeterC
Last Update 2019-02-18

The project to make DIY Alklanet aka RevKlanet, AlklaNEP, Lolklanet or Alklanetniet. Why ? Alklanet is awesome cleaning agent, but is kinda expensive. Can we make something ourselves? Alklanet is a commercial product, with a secret composition. Howewer the MSDS reveals the most common chemicals.

Alklanet facts

  • blue
  • pH 5.5 - 7 according to MSDS, Litmus measures 6
  • 5 -10% 2-Butoxyethanol
  •  ? % surfactant
  •  ? % ethanol


  • Production of test batches : Making revklanet.jpg


Recipe V0.1

Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.

  • 20 g Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
  • 10 g hard soap
  • 10 g ethanol (Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
  • 160 g water

Feedback

  • Trouble dissolving all the soap, also feels very soapy, probably way too much.
  • pH 8
  • thrashed

Recipe V0.2

Al %weight, For 200 ml. These will give only approximate concentrations.

Feedback

  • smells very nice
  • cleans well, but less than Alklanet or 0.3
  • leaves a bit more streaks than Alklanet

Recipe V0.3

Composition

For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as non of the ingredients are pure.

  • 20 g ( 10% ) Eco-Aceton from "De Parel" from hornbach
  • 5 g ( 2.5% ) mirasol 2000 - tenside / wetting agent. MSDS
  • 10 g ( 5%) ethanol ( Available from drugstores as 95% ethanol for cleaning)
  • 172 g ( 82% ) demineralised water

Economics

Product Price per unit (€) Unit (g) Price (€/g) Amount in recipe (g/l) Costs (€/l) link
Eco-Acetone 6.80 1000 0.0068 100 0.680 https://www.pearlpaint.nl/nl/merken-producten/eco-line/aceton-eco_586/
Mirasol 11.95 250 0.0478 25 1.195 https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/machine-chemistry/4690/tetenal-mirasol-2000-antistatic-wetting-agent-250ml MSDS
Ethanol 2.29 100 0.0229 50 1.145 https://www.boodschappenbestellen.com/bestel/etos-alcohol-96/
Demiwater 2.65 5000 0.00053 825 0.437 https://www.makro.nl/cat/nl/products/product/1522040001001
TOTAL - - - 1000 3.46

Feedback

  • pH 6-7
  • Gori: Cleaned the outside glass of the door in the workshop. Seems to remove mystery spots better than Alklanet
  • Gori: when used on a tables, no perceivable difference.
  • joepie91: v0.3 lijkt prima te werken, net tafel mee schoongemaakt, beetje vreemd geurtje maar verder prima
  • Cleans very well, but leaves slightly more streaks than 0.2 (visible only on high gloss surfaces such as mirrors)
  • Na een half uurtje schoonmaken geirriteerde neus en keel

Recipe V0.4

For this version, we want to

  • improve the economics
  • keep performance similar
  • reduce chance of irritation of the eye/throat/nose

Ways to do that :

  • Half the concentration of 2-Butoxyethanol
  • Replace ethanol with a lower concentration of Isopropyl alcohol : Better degreasing properies, much cheaper, but somewhat more irritating
  • Find an alternative surfactant / tenside, in bulk 1/10th of the price may be possible. Maybe Green soap

Composition

For 200 ml solution, all wt%. These will give only approximate concentrations, as none of the ingredients are pure.

Testing

  • Test setup : RevKlanetTestSetup.jpg
    • Compare : Demineralised water, Alklanet, RevKlanet V0.2, RevKlanet V0.3
  • Testing protocol : TestingMaterials.jpg
  • Apply and dry for 30 minites
    • Wok oil
    • Ketjap Manis
    • Ketchup
    • Meggele garlic butter
  • Attempt cleaning with a clean microfibre cloth and report results
    • Spray area with a single pump (we are using old Alklanet bottles)
    • Wipe 1/3 immediately in a single downward stroke
    • Wait 10 seconds then wipe 2nd 1/3 with a single stroke
    • Then clean the final 1/3 until clean
    • Then clean the entire area with the same product


Results V0.2 and v0.3

  • Overall findings : Both V0.2 and V0.3 work as good as Alklanet. V0.3 dries fastest, and degrease markedly better than Alklanet. Probably because we use the a higher concentration of alcohols, and the wetting agent greatly helps as wel.
  • Demiwater : Demiwater.jpg
  • Alklanet : Alklanet.jpg
  • V0.2 : V0.2.jpg
  • V0.3 : V0.3.jpg